Arizona Lottery computerized drawing machine generated identical winning numbers

Oct 6, 2017, 12:21 pm (58 comments)

Arizona Lottery

Machine taken out of service; no explanation offered

Once again computerized lottery drawings are coming under scrutiny as a machine responsible for generating random numbers has done the opposite, generating exact duplicates.

The Arizona Lottery is offering losing ticket refunds or exchanges from four games held over a recent six-day period because a machine used for the drawings generated the same winning numbers in consecutive games.

The games affected are Fantasy 5, Pick 3, All or Nothing, and 5 Card Cash, played from Sept. 28 to Oct. 3, Arizona Lottery officials said.

The Arizona Lottery uses three machines called Random Number Generators, or RNGs, to generate the winning numbers for the games, said Nikki O'Shea, state lottery spokeswoman.

The machines are stand-alone units that are not connected to a network or online system, she said. Two of the machines are managed by Iowa-based Multi-State Lottery Association (MUSL), which works with Arizona's lottery. The third, which is in Phoenix, is used as a backup, O'Shea said.

MUSL randomly selects which machines will be used for a game's number draw. The machine that caused the problem was selected for the morning draw Sept. 28 and Sept. 30, and evening draw Sept. 29 and Oct. 3, O'Shea said.

The machine, which lottery officials referred to as RNG2, produced the numbers for one game and then generated the exact same numbers in a subsequent game. This happened several times with different games.

For example, in a Fantasy 5 game Sept. 29, the numbers drawn were 1, 4, 8, 12, and 28. The same numbers were generated by the machine when it was used again in the game on Oct. 3.

Duplicate numbers were generated in All or Nothing on Sept. 28 and Sept. 30, and on Sept. 29 and Oct. 3. Pick 3 duplicates were generated Sept. 29 and Oct. 3. 5 Card Cash also was affected during the time period, officials said.

O'Shea said the matter still was being investigated, but the machine has been taken out of use and the other two machines will be used going forward. Additional draw audits also have been added before winning numbers are certified, she said.

Powerball, Mega Millions and The Pick were not affected. (Powerball and Mega Millions are not drawn by the Arizona Lottery.)

"The integrity of our games is paramount to Arizona Lottery.  We have incredible players at Arizona Lottery and we appreciate their patience and support," she said.

Winning tickets that bear the duplicate numbers are being honored. But players who hung on to their losing tickets for the four games affected from Sept. 28 to Oct. 3 can exchange their ticket for a new one or get a refund by mail or in person at one of three Arizona Lottery locations:

  • Phoenix office: 4740 E. University Drive, Phoenix, AZ 85034; Monday-Friday, 8 a.m.-5 p.m.
  • Tucson office: 2900 E. Broadway Blvd., Suite 190, Tucson, AZ 85716; Monday-Friday, 8 a.m-5 p.m.
  • Sky Harbor Airport: Terminal 4 baggage claim area.

Players can contact the Arizona Lottery by phone at 480-921-4400.

One more failure to add to the heap of computerized drawing disasters

No official explanation has been offered thus far for the computerized drawing failure.

State lotteries have been emphatically stating for years that computerized drawings both save money for the state as well as provide an entirely secure, reliable way to draw lottery numbers.

But the volume of evidence to the contrary is staggering.

Lottery Post has documented case after case of computerized drawing failures of every type, including outright rigging.

In fact, just four years ago the very same state lottery — the Arizona Lottery — suffered a monumental computerized drawing failure that went undiscovered for two months, rendering almost 8% of all Pick 3 tickets sold during that span incapable of winning.

(See COMPUTERIZED DRAWING GLITCH STRIKES ARIZONA LOTTERY, Lottery Post, Aug. 20, 2013.)

Other computerized drawing states have had the exact type of failure as Arizona, drawing the same numbers multiple times in a row. (See Computerized lottery drawing glitch picks same numbers for 3 days, Lottery Post, Dec. 23, 2005.)

In Delaware, such a glitch prompted players to cash in on the situation — regular lottery players detected the malfunction sooner than the lottery awoke to the realization that its drawings were flawed.  (See Keno players cash in on lottery glitch in Delaware, Lottery Post, Dec. 24, 2015.)

In the past computerized drawing states have been begged by their players to switch back to real, traditional lottery ball drawings, but to little avail.  One bright exception is the Hoosier Lottery in Indiana, which responded to its players' requests by switching back to real ball drawings, and returned to televising lottery drawings.  The decision was a brave one, given that in the years prior, the Hoosier Lottery made contradictory statements that computerized drawings were better than real ball drawings.

What do state lotteries get out of computerized drawings to make them cling to the failure-prone technology?  Based on the state lotteries' silence on the issue one can only guess.

Perhaps it is a little bit cheaper for the lottery to get rid of televised drawings, but then again with the latest technology in robotic camera work and cheap production through online streaming, this argument no longer holds water.

Or perhaps the state lotteries have lost their passion for creative marketing, and can no longer see real drawings for what they are:  an opportunity to hold a mini event every day — a chance to entertain, inspire confidence, and bring more dollars into the state.

When will they start listening?

Lottery Post Staff

Comments

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

OO-OO, it's bo'kin.

Raven62's avatarRaven62

Was it a Design Failure? or Normal Operation?

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Raven62 on Oct 6, 2017

Was it a Design Failure? or Normal Operation?

At this point : The RNG games need to head into the abyss. Consider this, if Tipton had not been apprehended- for him & his ilk, it would continue to be as the Boss would sing " Glory Days."

Bench that B*#!ch for good.Angry

Tatototman65's avatarTatototman65

I refuse to support RNG games.

Smile

Ron5995

PA Treasure Hunt (5/30 game: 1 in 142,506) had duplicate numbers drawn too within a week of each other. 02 05 08 11 12 on both Monday Nov-24-2014 and Sunday Nov-30-2014. Always thought it was just chance, but, after reading this article, not so sure. The first occurrence was on a Monday and then the duplicate on the following Sunday. Could PA Lottery swapped out the machines and/or did maintenance that reset some parameters. Definitely wondering now.

11/24/14
Winning Numbers: 02  05  08  11  12
1 players matched 5, each receiving $10,114.50
86 players matched 4, each receiving $100.00
1,419 players matched 3, each receiving $6.00
9,483 players matched 2, each receiving $1.00

11/30/14
Winning Numbers: 02  05  08  11  12
5 players matched 5, each receiving $2,046.00
75 players matched 4, each receiving $100.00
1,474 players matched 3, each receiving $6.00
9,633 players matched 2, each receiving $1.00

As for lottery strategies, interesting to see that some players will play previous drawn numbers even for jackpot games. Most of the time doesn't work, but here it did. And I suppose, if one analyzed PA Treasure Hunt for 4 out 5 duplicates, the strategy, assuming the machines were somehow faulty over time, may be more effective than chance would suggest.

What I can't understand is how so many lotteries mess up use of RNG for even simple draw games, such as Pick-3 and Pick-4. Is lottery RNG software and implementation really that bad. If so, all the more reason for more lotteries to bring ball draws back.

Bleudog101

Time to dump RNG once and for all!

Artist77's avatarArtist77

I don't think it was a glitch. I read an article on algorithms a few weeks ago and learned that they repeat at some point.  But the time frame could be any amount of time.

grwurston's avatargrwurston

I don't get it.  Why is this a problem?  Don't all the lotteries constantly tell us that, "all the drawings are completely random?"

If this was to happen in a ball drawing nothing would be said. Pick 3 and Pick 4 drawings repeat all the time back to back or within a few days. It's just random, right?

If they were completely random, then why do they think there is a problem? 

Let it go. It is what it is, right?  Sometimes these things happen.  It's called a RANDOM number generator. But if the lottery doesn't like the results, now it isn't random?

If this had happened during a mechanical ball drawing pre-test they would have pulled the ball sets or machines. Why? Isn't everything random?

Oh yeah I forgot, the only reason it's a problem is because this doesn't fit their "normal statistical parameters."  Ie, pure random is verboten.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Oct 6, 2017

I don't think it was a glitch. I read an article on algorithms a few weeks ago and learned that they repeat at some point.  But the time frame could be any amount of time.

Having all the games repeat the same drawing numbers on consecutive nights is not random numbers that just happen to repeat.  The odds are so removed that it is literally impossible.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Is Tipton in Arizona?

Scared

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 6, 2017

Having all the games repeat the same drawing numbers on consecutive nights is not random numbers that just happen to repeat.  The odds are so removed that it is literally impossible.

They might be using a simpler algorithm, perhaps? It was the same computer each time. Remember the hot lotto guy was able to tell ahead of time, from a few sets of numbers to play, what would hit on a certain day. I am determined to figure out one of these RNG algorithms before they all go away. There are no truly random numbers in an algorithm since they usually have to have a seed number to start. I guess the closest thing to randomness might be the mechanical drawings.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Oct 6, 2017

Is Tipton in Arizona?

Scared

Lol I thought the same thing. I think someone was "experimenting" with the RNG and messed up.

gatorsrok

The easy way to get states to stop using RNGs is to boycott the games.  If people simply stopped playing those games, the loss of revenue would cause the states to go back to using balls.  As long as states keep recording record sales, they have no incentive to change operations. 

I also wonder if this problem exists with second chance drawings since those are computerized.  Florida has been doing second chance drawings for losing scratch-off tickets for a few years now.  About a year ago, one person won two $1,000 prizes out of 15 total for a second chance drawing.  When I contacted the FL Lotto office, they told me there were over 5 million entries into that second chance drawing.   They said they kept no record of how many entries any individual had in the drawing.  The odds of a person getting two wins must have been nearly impossible unless the algorithm that does the selection is flawed (or fixed).

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Oct 6, 2017

Is Tipton in Arizona?

Scared

Well, the machine in question is a MUSL machine, so that is an entirely fair question.  MUSL claims that all the machines Tipton worked on were taken out of service, but that's the problem with computerized drawings — who really knows what the hell they are doing behind the scenes?  There is no way to "witness" a computerized drawing, so there is absolutely no way in this universe you or I could say with certainly that's it's all on the up and up. 

With computerized drawings lottery players are going 100% on faith that it is fair.  There is no way to know for sure.  And THAT is why I have written time and time again, arguing that computerized drawings should be eliminated from all state lottery daily drawing games.

Dead_Aim's avatarDead_Aim

Quote: Originally posted by gatorsrok on Oct 6, 2017

The easy way to get states to stop using RNGs is to boycott the games.  If people simply stopped playing those games, the loss of revenue would cause the states to go back to using balls.  As long as states keep recording record sales, they have no incentive to change operations. 

I also wonder if this problem exists with second chance drawings since those are computerized.  Florida has been doing second chance drawings for losing scratch-off tickets for a few years now.  About a year ago, one person won two $1,000 prizes out of 15 total for a second chance drawing.  When I contacted the FL Lotto office, they told me there were over 5 million entries into that second chance drawing.   They said they kept no record of how many entries any individual had in the drawing.  The odds of a person getting two wins must have been nearly impossible unless the algorithm that does the selection is flawed (or fixed).

Saw the exact same thing here in MO just a month or so ago. MO just got a new Phone app where you can scan old tickets for second hand drawing. I had tons of tickets I had saved over the years and took the time to put them all in (the ones it would take, there is time limits on them) on one of the promotional second hand drawings. I personally had 100's of entries by taking the time to put them all in. I got nothing. I totally get that with 100's of thousands of entries or even more. Yet Bryan Greer wins 3rd place on the first drawing and the top prize (1st Place) on the second drawing out of 13 chances per drawing. only 13!. I truly expected to see his name on the 3rd and final drawing as well, but didn't. then again he was probably to busy laying on the beaches of Hawaii to put anymore in for the last drawing....Visit these pages to see what I am talking about.

http://www.molottery.com/extras/summerParks/winners1.shtm

and then this one...

http://www.molottery.com/extras/summerParks/winners2.shtm

and even the miscellaneous prizes associated with this drawing for camping gear. that is 3 wins in 1 set of second hand drawings.

https://club.molottery.com/drawings/winners/view/1901

what are the odd's. He should have bought a lottery ticket to have that much luck going for him. oh wait he did. Wink

oh and for this thread. there is only one solution, go back to the F#@&ing balls already. we have asked for them back for years and years...

realtorjim

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 6, 2017

Having all the games repeat the same drawing numbers on consecutive nights is not random numbers that just happen to repeat.  The odds are so removed that it is literally impossible.

Exactly!  It reminds me of a check factor, such as; if date is =>...and date is even/odd then..., which is looping instead of running through its sequence, which would end or delete the run.  This is absolutely an opcode malfunction, not random coincidence.

Todd's avatarTodd

The other thing one can guess from this is that someone is mucking around in the code on the machine.  Why else would it suddenly start spitting out repeated draw sequences?  And why would the machine have access to previous drawing results that it could copy?  If it DOESN'T have access to previous drawing results, then it is generating totally non-random numbers based on some kind of sequence or something.

It is an absolutely horrendous situation, and I would never buy a ticket for one of these computerized drawings.  I can't say that in strong enough terms.

The local papers should be doing multiple investigations of this and grilling everyone involved until the lottery is forced to change.  The general public — not just the lottery's loyal players who actively seek out information like this on the Internet — need to be made aware.

I've been doing this long enough that it takes quite a bit to get me outraged.  And I am outraged.

JoeBigLotto's avatarJoeBigLotto

well it is simply fraud. Why well they knew for a long time with evidence that random generators are bul<snip> but for some reason they refuse to use real balls thats why i don't even bother playing in Arizona . They are behaving like the chinese Bashgovernment by trying to collect peoples money and control the ball out come and sometimes they get caught and they say oops error ye right bul<snip>.

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MillionsWanted's avatarMillionsWanted

Someone has done something with the code. The computer technicians/software developers involved will be suspects.

paneagle

         THIS HUGE PROBLEM is indemic in Lotteries, not just computer generated games. It is easy to suspect the same programs are related to casino machines.    There is a constant return of numbers/ in groups or bunched up. Many think it likely the coded algorithym is alive and well even in so called wheel ball random drawings. Anyone can tell they have made the lottery as hard to win as possible. It is like trying to run for office if you're not a christian. Forget about it'. It seems everything in the business/money world is fixed. Getting the 1 in 300 Million odds on Large Multi-state drawings Mega and PB is even harder. 

       Logically, we may not identify the problem, but observationally, the sets of repeat or paired numbers inclusive in the drawings is apparent. If we look at state and the large drawings this year, you will see #1 and its relations (31,61) has come in an inordinate amount of times. The control seems to be by digits. There also seems to be a thread of three number with combinations around them in the larger drawings. For example Mega Millions today was 21 33 36 45 56 and 12 shows up in the digits with 2 6's, 2 5's,  2 2's  2 1's and 3 3's, and 21 inverted with 12. 2+1 = 3 also. This mathematical confluence clearly demonstrated. 

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paneagle

You are right that the time frame can produce an automatic return of the algorithm. But its not a glitch.Its all controlled. like you are. Again, I may be incorrect, but if not, your god idea is a pure glitch in the system. 

Do we think trump threw the towel at puerto rico for past debts and taxes. well he sure did. you may be logically correct, but literally trump threw a roll of paper towels at the Poor'Rico people. Unreal, but there is no real god to bless him or anyone else. You can never prove it, anymore than we can prove trump cheated with the russians to spot the election. No I dont care about hillary either. Its a fixed game, as are all games and human systems, which are like dna coding, set operations we can turn on or turn off, depending on how we deal with the environment. if we manipulate the environment, our dna can click in and give us our disease. or we can avoid it by cleaning up our health and natural factors.  If we manipulate nature and environment (oil gas gmo food etc...) we get the polluted monsanto-insanity we have now. 

Man is not being natural, so we reap the harvest (like harvest 91 I am afraid, happening at a casino just like the one trump has in Atlantic. Is that an accident too/) now we may also see the killer paddock (locked him up in his addicted psychotic dna) was taking medications which made him even crazier than he was. 

The People continue to be fooled. Lotteries are the biggest scam in history, obviously. the state can run a lottery, but the people of themselves cannot. thus the state breaks their own laws. Business is set up like this, and so gun running goes on, and gun killing results. Obviously, that is IT.  we allow it. Yes I have thought about this, not just reacting to things. I don't play games. Pray all you want, but prayer never made the 3 pt. baskets like stephen curry does. 

Lottery continues to be fools gold god for everyone, because the money is all fake as well. (see 1933 and federal reserve act) but you wont think that, because god is real and on trump's side, like saying god is on the side of the baltimore ravens when they stole the super bowl from san francisco, using the referees. any real god does not take sides. It  if at all exists to show naturally what is real, but that's it. the rest is our choice.

Raven62's avatarRaven62

Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on Oct 7, 2017

Someone has done something with the code. The computer technicians/software developers involved will be suspects.

Maybe Software or Firmware updates were recently applied to the RNG Computer.

Ron5995

From what I can tell, most likely explanation is the officials simply turned the machine on and read off the previous drawing numbers still stored in memory.

Turning off the machine alone likely wouldn't erase the previous draw numbers. There are logical reasons for it to work that way, such as in the event of a power failure or freezing the machine's state for further examination after a drawing.

Still find it amazing to think the lottery officials just turned it on and read off the previous draw numbers. Don't they have a checklist of steps? One would think so, but maybe not. Regardless, not reassuring. Wonder how many other lotteries have slipshod drawings: skipping steps, not checking machines, poor security, etc.

As for rigging drawings, sure it happens, as the Hot Lotto saga well illustrates, but from all indications, this appears to be a mistake on part of the draw officials. If one is going to rig a drawing in hopes of hitting it big, jackpot games is the place. Not just because of the big money, but that it can occur unnoticed.

Rigging Pick-X games, such as say Pick-3 or Pick-4, on any large scale, will likely be noticed in numerous ways. Excessive claims from a concentrated area, relatively few claimants, and skewed payout percentage. Not to say one couldn't squeeze out a few million, but anything more would likely skew the payout percentage too far out of what would be statistically expected. In short, statistics analysis should catch many such cheats.

And as many here do, analyzing the numbers that come up over time can help spot RNG glitches (number frequency, excess of / lack of pairs, etc), which has happened various times already. One has to wonder, in light of this most recent incident, what other RNG glitches are occurring out there right now ... for those who analyze drawings, as already suggested by others, RNG drawings may be where to focus one's efforts. To digress a bit, while maybe my imagination, it seem RNG numbers generate different patterns than ball drawn. Makes sense, since computer "random" is based on an algorithm verses a physical "random", such as balls.

American Indian's avatarAmerican Indian

The duplicate #'s drawn on 9/28 & 10/3 were 1-4-8-12-28.................

While this is going on a Jackpot for Fantasy 5 In AZ was WON on 9/29 In the amount of $487,000????

We rarely have Fantasy 5 that HIGH!!!!!

HUMM CAN I SUE? 

Talk about a rip off!

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

American Indian, 

The Illinois Pick r, 5/45, has been over $1,000,000 several times. 

Everyone, 

Come to think of it a few years ago a neighboring town had their annual Apple Festival. Ny wife and I went on Saturday and Sunday. 

While there we got QP's for the Illinois Pick 5 game at the same liquor store on both of those days. The tickets were identical except for one number. 

What?

MonEl

Almost like if the numbers had been pre-programmed to come out, but the job was not done right and it happened more than once.

Maybe:

Either somebody is trying to make some money

Or:

The numbers generated are not random, but pre-programmed to come out, either by the state lottery or by somebody or by a group of people trying to make some money (it would not be the first time that it happens), not everybody can "predict" numbers, but maybe some people can program them to come out as needed.

It happened more than once, that winning numbers were posted on lottery sites "by mistake" just before the drawings were held, sometimes people make those mistakes, that is why most of the time the state lotteries take a very long time before posting winning numbers after the drawings, if those few past mistakes were repeated way too often, a few people might start to think that "the state lotteries are letting the cat out of the bag"

paneagle

What results is what we put into it. Now they show up the electronic gaming in lottery producing exact replica tickets in many states.  Replication and copy cat mentality. (Like watching a video poker game (stealing our money directly) and thinking to follow the suits to the poor house.

Vegas casino lottery and american dreams.  the city is rocked, the country is rocked!  Yes we could sue the entire country for expiadosis and even genocide.  Free the American Indian. Why not all of us. no more insurance, no more taxes, no more illegal gambling lottery. if we all agree, this could be. otherwise, not. 

To ask, the guns, gambling and drug scenario. what happened? It appears pollack took medication that increased his psychosis, paranoia or obsession. It is curious that trump hotel in atlantic looks similar to Mand...Bay, is a casino and so built on legal theft. The law rules, the people obey. 

So the mad man insanity of this nation, Playing god kind of thing. example : Monsan-ity and drugs gmo food pesticides and vaccines chemicals poisons in our environment. guns, patriotism and military industry.. oil gas coal and cars.. co-dependency is alive and well.

 

It's all a holographic projection, anyway. When man realizes this, it changes our perspective, our actions. Examples of this hologram are : differences between reality and fantasy.

trump and puerto rico. Sending in maria to island owing debts and taxes. "mother mary comes to me" line from song. Then trump throws in the towel (he did throw paper towels at crowd in Poor Rico) as he came to island 12 days late ("why dont you cleam up your own mess") and said first responders were "miracle" men. It was hardly that, but thats my opinion. (opinions not wirth a dime in a bullion). when its all about us personally, (narcissism), then it becomes nothing. They still have no electric, no food or aid to many parts of island, and children and elderly at risk, if not most of people. Trump sees the bill, he doesnt want to have us pay it. So the people are doing music concert fun(d) raising. Hes not wanting to support those poor athlete sons of bitches either, or the're people. It is all an appearance. a personal appearance.

houston and storm flood. Yes the rain came, Houston was flooded because politicians did not pay for flood plain plan. It would have cost millions, now it will be billions. investment in right places, at right time is the gamblers smart choice. Or this is like the gambler investing in trump casino in atlantic city. It's operating, but its not making much. The big one next door is empty. I have the pics when we went there 2 years ago. 100 Million value, no real value at all. but the officials kept the money to themselves, as the big business people do, and the need went unattended. This is America today. New orleans was the same thing, Is it an accident Nate Hurricane goes to NO town again, a reminder maybe, a holographic projection of the reality; we create it, it doesnt not create us. so we ask what shall we do, really?

is lottery gambling? Yes. Is it a monopoly ruled by the states, yes. This means no one can run a monopoly except the states. they break there own law to run it. IS lottery a scam? From this definition, yes. but it's only an opinion. Is the lottery a fixed algorithym. Well, it is in the computer generated states. But It seems it is also in all states, a holographic project perhaps best explains that. I saw powerball come out as 62 63 66 and 22 23 24. I had projected # 3/33 and 23/53 to win. These numbers were perfect, but could I win the 100 million. Not unless I am a real genius, and saw 23 as round up and down one to 22 23 24 for three winners, and 3/33 as round 60/30/1 as 62 63 66. The odds of such a fantastic occurance are astronomical, like the lottery result here, or my prediction accuracy. No accidents. This is why i share the numbers freely. solar star lottery forum. lottery post. Players need some advantage against this big machine.

But what do we do about all this? I am open to suggestion (now that is a bad joke). Poll-act surely was. Was it a demon, a devil tapping him on the third eye. Probaly much more than that, but we have to watch our selves, our own lines of reality, that is the inner side where our minds and emotions are manipulated if we are not 'vigilant'. This is the human condition in the hologram. As We project, so it can be projected back at us. THis IS for me learning the real awareness. and being real with all life. I am doing my best.

Thanks for listening. This is all hard truth. (not necessarily the facts). Not the old literal (science or religion) view at all. Frankly, i cant afford that. gamblers choice.

tnwinner

exactly BOYCOTT THE GAMES. The people at these state lotteries are on the take to the companies that sell the software. THAT IS WHY THEY ALL GO TO THE COMPUER RNG

Ron5995

Quote: Originally posted by tnwinner on Oct 8, 2017

exactly BOYCOTT THE GAMES. The people at these state lotteries are on the take to the companies that sell the software. THAT IS WHY THEY ALL GO TO THE COMPUER RNG

There's truth in that. Lottery vendors are often paid sales commissions and/or bonuses, so they have a strong incentive to boost sales, even if that involves shady methods. Seeding instant top prize winners in such a manner that not all will be sold, pulling instant games early, etc. For numbers games, RNG is cheaper to run with less transparency. Who really knows what's going on the RNG box? Often the lottery doesn't truly know, because it's their vendor who handles that.

As for RNG rigging, it can and does happen, but in this instance, from all indications, the officials simply forgot to clear the machine's memory of the past drawings. How lottery officials could make such a dumb mistake is beyond me, but likely just a case of apathy. Just going through the motions to get it over with. If those had been ball drawings, there would be no memory to clear, and more to the point, there would be witnesses and more overall scrutiny of the equipment and draw procedures.

Hoping someone is able to dig up more details of what allegedly led to the incident. Was it simply steps being skipped, or machine malfunction, or maybe an insider(s) was testing whether they could rig drawings. So many questions.

rca1952

PatriotOnce again the computer way of number drawing is screwing up! BRING BACK THE BALLS!!!!!

destiny2008

They need to look into all State Lotteries like Michigan.  Either they are cheating or got something rigged up to take a bunch of monies.  Actually 0000 in the pick 4 came out a few weeks ago and players collected over 5 million dollars.  I believe that was an intention for the lottery but they had to pay it out.  Since then, Michigan is trying to collect that money back.  They are repeating numbers like crazy even pick 4 are repeating.  Really.  I feel all State Lotteries need to be investigated.  It seems impossible that a p3 can be drawn twice within a day or too.  For instance 985 came in midday on oct 5 and on oct 7 midday, the same 985 returned in that order.  REALLY.  That one was a money snatcher for Michigan Lottery.  Someone really needs to take a look at Michigan.

Ron5995

If a lottery is going to cheat players on Pick-3 / Pick-4, they would seek ways to avoid triples / quads from coming out. You say Michigan Lottery drew 0000 and paid out $5 million. Seems a pretty good deal for players. Not seeing where the cheating is.

As for duplicate Pick-3 and Pick-4 numbers within a short time span, that's statistically more likely than many would expect. Nothing out of the ordinary there. If a lottery was out to cheat players, they wouldn't allow such repeats so soon, since many players will wager on recently drawn numbers. Again, not seeing where the cheating is.

This relates to this thread too, since some are assuming the Arizona incident is related to cheating. There's a remote possibility an insider was testing a  RNG cheat, but seems a peculiar way of doing it. A more plausible possibility, is lottery officials not following draw procedures. Very likely the officials skipped many steps and simply read off the numbers already stored in the RNG machine memory from the previous drawing. From a cursory look at the winning payouts, doesn't seem higher than usual, and no jackpot wins.

MsDiamond600's avatarMsDiamond600

Quote: Originally posted by destiny2008 on Oct 9, 2017

They need to look into all State Lotteries like Michigan.  Either they are cheating or got something rigged up to take a bunch of monies.  Actually 0000 in the pick 4 came out a few weeks ago and players collected over 5 million dollars.  I believe that was an intention for the lottery but they had to pay it out.  Since then, Michigan is trying to collect that money back.  They are repeating numbers like crazy even pick 4 are repeating.  Really.  I feel all State Lotteries need to be investigated.  It seems impossible that a p3 can be drawn twice within a day or too.  For instance 985 came in midday on oct 5 and on oct 7 midday, the same 985 returned in that order.  REALLY.  That one was a money snatcher for Michigan Lottery.  Someone really needs to take a look at Michigan.

Detiny2008   I Agree!

 

Connecticut the same thing!!!!  Take a look at our last numbers on the site. Sept 27 night "114"  Sept 28 Night "141"  Sept 30 Day "114".   Oct 3  Night "2081",  Oct 7 Night "1802".  Then  Oct 8 Day "1740", Oct 8 Night "7340"  REALLY!  It's been getting really bad and people here have been speaking about it.  It's definitely far from a coincidence. The State is already doing bad financially, but geesh they are throwing in curve balls like crazy.

OneTrickpony's avatarOneTrickpony

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 7, 2017

The other thing one can guess from this is that someone is mucking around in the code on the machine.  Why else would it suddenly start spitting out repeated draw sequences?  And why would the machine have access to previous drawing results that it could copy?  If it DOESN'T have access to previous drawing results, then it is generating totally non-random numbers based on some kind of sequence or something.

It is an absolutely horrendous situation, and I would never buy a ticket for one of these computerized drawings.  I can't say that in strong enough terms.

The local papers should be doing multiple investigations of this and grilling everyone involved until the lottery is forced to change.  The general public — not just the lottery's loyal players who actively seek out information like this on the Internet — need to be made aware.

I've been doing this long enough that it takes quite a bit to get me outraged.  And I am outraged.

This issue really concerns me, as I do play The Pick in Arizona which uses RNG.  I wanted to at least let them know that people are watching how they are handling this, and other situations regarding "technical difficulties" with no further explanation, and that people no longer have confidence in RNG's to generate fair and accurate winning numbers.  I sent a comment through their website suggesting that they drop RNG's and go back to drawing balls, recording the draw and uploading it to their website.  I let them know that this may go a long way to restore the players faith that the winning numbers are on the up and up.  I'm probably spitting into the wind, but maybe if enough people complain they will consider our suggestions.

Hermanus104's avatarHermanus104

I moved from Virginia to the Bearflag Republic earlier this year. Virginia's lottery uses balls. The Lottery of the Bearflag Republic does not. 

Therefore, I do not play the lottery in the Bearflag Republic. The only ball games there are Super Lotto Plus, Powerball and Mega Millions. I don't play jackpot games because of they way they bilk lower-tier prize winners.

Ron5995

Lotteries rely very much, to the extent of often blindingly, on their lottery vendors and consultants. The failed $5 Monopoly Millionaire game is one example. Another is Texas Lottery original All or Nothing game which had no prize cap. Well that is until there was a near miss, which highlighted the problem, which should have been obvious from the start. However, again, lotteries rely mostly on vendors and consultants who often get paid a commission on sales; just see $$$. RNG draws are cheaper and easier to run.

While writing letters to the lottery may spur change, it's ultimately going to take legislative action in many instances. Regulations requiring ball draw is likely the only way  RNG draws will be curtailed.

Plus, requiring all lottery drawings, regardless of draw method(s), be broadcast and streamed live. As of now, many lotteries don't do this, so there are many opportunities to tamper with a draw without the public, beyond a few select lottery officials, knowing. Even many well established lotteries, such as PA Lottery, don't stream drawings live. In PA, the evening draw is sometimes delayed for inexplicable reasons and/or often not available to viewing to many due to other TV programming (ie. sports game or special).

In short, for those writing letters, also send to legislators.

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Quote: Originally posted by MsDiamond600 on Oct 9, 2017

Detiny2008   I Agree!

 

Connecticut the same thing!!!!  Take a look at our last numbers on the site. Sept 27 night "114"  Sept 28 Night "141"  Sept 30 Day "114".   Oct 3  Night "2081",  Oct 7 Night "1802".  Then  Oct 8 Day "1740", Oct 8 Night "7340"  REALLY!  It's been getting really bad and people here have been speaking about it.  It's definitely far from a coincidence. The State is already doing bad financially, but geesh they are throwing in curve balls like crazy.

If you want repeats move to Maryland. They want us to believe this is RANDOM. Yeah, right.

By the way, this is a BALL drawing state.

7/31 eve  271

8/1   eve  712

8/8   mid  941

8/8   eve  914

8/9   mid  642

8/10 eve  426

8/18 mid  590

8/19 mid  950

8/20 mid  287

8/20 eve  872

8/28 eve  095

9/1   mid  095

9/18 mid  426

9/19 mid  462

9/26 eve  484

9/29 mid  484

10/3 mid  897

10/4 eve  978

How about this?

1/21/17  eve  672

1/22/17  eve  627

1/23/17  eve  726

Or this?

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Oct 9, 2017

If you want repeats move to Maryland. They want us to believe this is RANDOM. Yeah, right.

By the way, this is a BALL drawing state.

7/31 eve  271

8/1   eve  712

8/8   mid  941

8/8   eve  914

8/9   mid  642

8/10 eve  426

8/18 mid  590

8/19 mid  950

8/20 mid  287

8/20 eve  872

8/28 eve  095

9/1   mid  095

9/18 mid  426

9/19 mid  462

9/26 eve  484

9/29 mid  484

10/3 mid  897

10/4 eve  978

How about this?

1/21/17  eve  672

1/22/17  eve  627

1/23/17  eve  726

Or this?

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

You ought to be raking in big money there.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Oct 9, 2017

You ought to be raking in big money there.

If the results aren't random and repeatable so much, you would think some one cold backward engineer a system to beat the odds. Wink

Even a set of ball would probable repeat one in in a while with only a thousand possible outcomes, even worst when you throw in box hits.

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Oct 9, 2017

If the results aren't random and repeatable so much, you would think some one cold backward engineer a system to beat the odds. Wink

Even a set of ball would probable repeat one in in a while with only a thousand possible outcomes, even worst when you throw in box hits.

Their lottery's jingle is, "The Maryland lottery, let yourself play."

It should be, "The Maryland lottery, you can't imagine what we will draw next."  LOL 

I hope they never switch to RNG's.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Oct 9, 2017

If the results aren't random and repeatable so much, you would think some one cold backward engineer a system to beat the odds. Wink

Even a set of ball would probable repeat one in in a while with only a thousand possible outcomes, even worst when you throw in box hits.

I don't see any similar repeats in the VA lottery. I'd be playing PICK 3 if I lived in MD.

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Oct 9, 2017

I don't see any similar repeats in the VA lottery. I'd be playing PICK 3 if I lived in MD.

The thing is, who ever expects that many repeats?  You see a couple here or there once in a while okay, but not like that. Hindsight is always 20-20.

JoeBigLotto's avatarJoeBigLotto

HOW LAZY CAN ARIZONA LOTTERY OFFICIALS BE. Trying to save money should not result to less than 100 percent responsibility. There was a story about Timothy Tipton and random number generator fraud all over the news the state of Arizona acted deaf. There was another story about deleware keno producing repeat numbers like five consecutive times and everybody kept quiet and knew except Delaware officials until it was too late. And in Arizona before the number 9 was not in play for two months until players complained. Those officials in Arizona were busy je... o... And  now they are acting like wow there could be a problem. The solution is to throw all your number generators in the trash and get real balls it is more fun ok.  Just because Arizona is a dersert doesn't meam officials to be acting like stupid chameleons i think they all need to be fired by the governor. The best lottery have seen in America is in Maine, michigan, florida, georgia, tennessee, texas, arkansas, south carolina, indiana, maryland, Dc, Missouri, New york , New jersey ,North carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Puerto rico, Virginia , west virginia, wisconsin. am a truck driver and i travel everystate so i don't need a memoa . Bottom of my list is Arizona , new mexico and oklahoma . i spend less money in this three states because their lottery sucks and does not excite me even illinios is improving greatly ROFLCoffeeWhite BounceBashNo NoBang Head

MsDiamond600's avatarMsDiamond600

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Oct 9, 2017

If you want repeats move to Maryland. They want us to believe this is RANDOM. Yeah, right.

By the way, this is a BALL drawing state.

7/31 eve  271

8/1   eve  712

8/8   mid  941

8/8   eve  914

8/9   mid  642

8/10 eve  426

8/18 mid  590

8/19 mid  950

8/20 mid  287

8/20 eve  872

8/28 eve  095

9/1   mid  095

9/18 mid  426

9/19 mid  462

9/26 eve  484

9/29 mid  484

10/3 mid  897

10/4 eve  978

How about this?

1/21/17  eve  672

1/22/17  eve  627

1/23/17  eve  726

Or this?

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

Wow that's insane. Well if we had identicals and consistency like MD I would always be ahead of the game LOL.  By the way CT is a ball generated state also (allegedly but I believe it is pre-done).  Oh and it is televised live.

 

I must say your play 4 in MD with the 4567 boxed below is far from a coincidence.

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

 

Happy Winnings!

JoeBigLotto's avatarJoeBigLotto

Quote: Originally posted by MsDiamond600 on Oct 9, 2017

Wow that's insane. Well if we had identicals and consistency like MD I would always be ahead of the game LOL.  By the way CT is a ball generated state also (allegedly but I believe it is pre-done).  Oh and it is televised live.

 

I must say your play 4 in MD with the 4567 boxed below is far from a coincidence.

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

 

Happy Winnings!

Well I tell you what 4567 is actually my lucky number and have won well over $20,000 playing it so to you it sounds like fraud but to me it means I get more vip lap dances so what you call bad news is actually good news . I wasn't in Maryland on that day but am sure I played 4567 somewhere in America. I know you be saying it doesn't come everyday true. I mix it up with other lucky numbers to make my wolf pack lol . Just like I love chicken but eat beef sometimes to mix up my diet :) for example I was in Ohio sometime back I stop for fuel and I saw a truck getting fuel next to me his truck number was 567 that was all I needed to trigger my wolf pack so I walked up to him and said your truck number is 567 and that is my lucky number so I told him tonight is the best time to play it .He looked at me like am a crazy black guy. Oh well I went in played 567 and half hour later 567 came in Ohio and I won  $3000 combo and box and straight the cashier said I can't pay you over $500 today I said I give you $50 for every $500 so she paid me $1500 am happy she is happy that white guy I tried to help probably kill himself he looked broke when I saw him . The point is play for fun and don't worry too much. My only regret was that I didn't bet $50 straight to win $25,000 but yet again if I bet $50 it may not come so life goes on take it for what you can :)

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Congrats on that 567 hit!  Good story!   Thumbs Up   The 4567 hit 3 times in the last 30 days. 

Thu, Oct 5, 2017
Kentucky
Pick 4 Evening
7-4-5-6
Wed, Sep 27, 2017
California
Daily 4
4-6-5-7
Fri, Sep 22, 2017
Kentucky
Pick 4 Evening
6-4-7-5

JoeBigLotto's avatarJoeBigLotto

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Oct 9, 2017

Congrats on that 567 hit!  Good story!   Thumbs Up   The 4567 hit 3 times in the last 30 days. 

Thu, Oct 5, 2017
Kentucky
Pick 4 Evening
7-4-5-6
Wed, Sep 27, 2017
California
Daily 4
4-6-5-7
Fri, Sep 22, 2017
Kentucky
Pick 4 Evening
6-4-7-5

Thx . And my point is to win lottery you need to know how to manipulate simple numbers to complex numbers and complex numbers to simple numbers . And always remember you are gambling so that means you are ten times more likely to hit close to your target than to hit your target. so what does this really mean . Last week i was in texas i played 4567 box but i also decided to break down 4567 for pick three so i converted it to 456, 457, 467, 567 all combo $3 each. Result was 457 so i won only $250 was very happy but 457 was not my target but i knew rules of gamble that am ten times more likely to be close to my target than to hit my target so i deploy that basic principle and it paid off next time maybe i win with 564 you never know so you have to create your own attack wolf pack. Most people say i can't afford to loss money . well i can afford to loss money and i can afford to win money but i can't afford not to play the game never play what you can't loss. You have to understand how i got all my lottery wisdom not by winning but by lossing everytime i loss i do autopsy to understand why and even if i loss money i game more powerful knowlege what more than the win . so combination of me winning lossing and gaining more knowledge is creating a super me. i did not travel billions of distance to this planet not to play what will i tell my investors when i go back lol Sad Cheers

MsDiamond600's avatarMsDiamond600

Quote: Originally posted by JoeBigLotto on Oct 9, 2017

Well I tell you what 4567 is actually my lucky number and have won well over $20,000 playing it so to you it sounds like fraud but to me it means I get more vip lap dances so what you call bad news is actually good news . I wasn't in Maryland on that day but am sure I played 4567 somewhere in America. I know you be saying it doesn't come everyday true. I mix it up with other lucky numbers to make my wolf pack lol . Just like I love chicken but eat beef sometimes to mix up my diet :) for example I was in Ohio sometime back I stop for fuel and I saw a truck getting fuel next to me his truck number was 567 that was all I needed to trigger my wolf pack so I walked up to him and said your truck number is 567 and that is my lucky number so I told him tonight is the best time to play it .He looked at me like am a crazy black guy. Oh well I went in played 567 and half hour later 567 came in Ohio and I won  $3000 combo and box and straight the cashier said I can't pay you over $500 today I said I give you $50 for every $500 so she paid me $1500 am happy she is happy that white guy I tried to help probably kill himself he looked broke when I saw him . The point is play for fun and don't worry too much. My only regret was that I didn't bet $50 straight to win $25,000 but yet again if I bet $50 it may not come so life goes on take it for what you can :)

Wow that's amazing JoeBigLotto!!  You have me cracking up over here. Brush some of that luck over here.

iamPACmomx3's avatariamPACmomx3

Quote: Originally posted by JoeBigLotto on Oct 10, 2017

Thx . And my point is to win lottery you need to know how to manipulate simple numbers to complex numbers and complex numbers to simple numbers . And always remember you are gambling so that means you are ten times more likely to hit close to your target than to hit your target. so what does this really mean . Last week i was in texas i played 4567 box but i also decided to break down 4567 for pick three so i converted it to 456, 457, 467, 567 all combo $3 each. Result was 457 so i won only $250 was very happy but 457 was not my target but i knew rules of gamble that am ten times more likely to be close to my target than to hit my target so i deploy that basic principle and it paid off next time maybe i win with 564 you never know so you have to create your own attack wolf pack. Most people say i can't afford to loss money . well i can afford to loss money and i can afford to win money but i can't afford not to play the game never play what you can't loss. You have to understand how i got all my lottery wisdom not by winning but by lossing everytime i loss i do autopsy to understand why and even if i loss money i game more powerful knowlege what more than the win . so combination of me winning lossing and gaining more knowledge is creating a super me. i did not travel billions of distance to this planet not to play what will i tell my investors when i go back lol Sad Cheers

Thanks for the tip. I often will play my favorite numbers in pick 4 for them to drop in the Pick 3! Going to look at the numbers I have liked for the last few days and convert them to P3. I play in VA and most of our players think this state is one of the "hardest" to play in! Need a big hit bad!

JoeBigLotto's avatarJoeBigLotto

Quote: Originally posted by iamPACmomx3 on Oct 10, 2017

Thanks for the tip. I often will play my favorite numbers in pick 4 for them to drop in the Pick 3! Going to look at the numbers I have liked for the last few days and convert them to P3. I play in VA and most of our players think this state is one of the "hardest" to play in! Need a big hit bad!

The above example involves converting complex pick4 numbers to simple pick3 numbers. But sometimes you want to convert simple pick3 numbers to complex pick4 numbers the cost is $5. For example l want to play 246 on pick3 so l decide to play $3 combo to win $250 or $500 if the number has two identical digit like 244 or 224. ok l decide on 246 so l play $3 combo and l also play extra $3 on the six numbers one digit away from 246 all $0.50 each box. So l play 146, 346, 236, 256, 245, 247 this gives me second price of $40 or $80 if the numbers has two identical digits like 244 or 224 . So by now l have spent $6. But this only covers fifty percent of my luck for today so next l add $5 bet to convert my 246 number to pick4 number so my 246 now becomes X246 so l play on pick4 the numbers 0246, 1246, 2246, 3246, 4246, 5246, 6246, 7246, 8246, 9246. all $0.50 each box could win extra $100 on 1246 or extra $200 on 2246 because 2246 has double identical digits so l get double price for $0.50 box. By now i have spent $11 and my luck is covered 100 percent. Well you be thinking l can't spend $11 everyday for some people that is true but life is not about what you do everyday life is about option A option B option C . So for you in this case you go to option B you can play on the luckiest day of the week which is Friday because 75 percent of all my biggest win occur on a Friday . By now you thinking Friday day or Friday night well based on my history data 75percent of the time it is Friday night. To prove my point on January 20th of 2017 Trump became the president and trump is from New york born in New york on that friday night of january 20th the winning number in new york was 6666 and nobody noticed . Am from Florida and on friday january 20th 2017 winning number in florida was 567 for Day and 574 for night both are my lucky numbers too am not making this stories up it is 100 percent true . Lurking

Dead_Aim's avatarDead_Aim

Quote: Originally posted by Dead_Aim on Oct 6, 2017

Saw the exact same thing here in MO just a month or so ago. MO just got a new Phone app where you can scan old tickets for second hand drawing. I had tons of tickets I had saved over the years and took the time to put them all in (the ones it would take, there is time limits on them) on one of the promotional second hand drawings. I personally had 100's of entries by taking the time to put them all in. I got nothing. I totally get that with 100's of thousands of entries or even more. Yet Bryan Greer wins 3rd place on the first drawing and the top prize (1st Place) on the second drawing out of 13 chances per drawing. only 13!. I truly expected to see his name on the 3rd and final drawing as well, but didn't. then again he was probably to busy laying on the beaches of Hawaii to put anymore in for the last drawing....Visit these pages to see what I am talking about.

http://www.molottery.com/extras/summerParks/winners1.shtm

and then this one...

http://www.molottery.com/extras/summerParks/winners2.shtm

and even the miscellaneous prizes associated with this drawing for camping gear. that is 3 wins in 1 set of second hand drawings.

https://club.molottery.com/drawings/winners/view/1901

what are the odd's. He should have bought a lottery ticket to have that much luck going for him. oh wait he did. Wink

oh and for this thread. there is only one solution, go back to the F#@&ing balls already. we have asked for them back for years and years...

Sent the same info to the MO Lottery staff to see what they said, here is their response. So this guy (Bryan Greer) beat the odds millions to 1 twice in a row and for the 3rd win 1 out of 250,000 all in the same promo.... lol...   yeeeaaah...Skeptical

MO Lottery's response:

The weekly merchandise drawings had average between 4.0 and 4.5 million entries per drawing.  The $1000 cash prize drawings were right around 1.2 to 1.4 million entries per drawing, and the national parks drawing had approximately 250,000 entries per drawing.

The Missouri Lottery takes rigid measures to ensure that all drawings are conducted fairly and without prejudice.  When players submit their entries, it is assigned a series of random electronic signatures.  It is through these signatures that the drawings are conducted, with members of our draw team, marketing department, and security personnel to ensure all protocols are being met.  It is after the drawings have occurred and certified that the electronic signatures are traced back to the Player’s Club account that they were submitted from, and the winners are then notified.

 

Thank you for Playing it Forward with the Missouri Lottery!

 

Terry Schoonover

Customer Service Manager

 

Missouri Lottery

Office:  573-415-0612

Email:  terry.schoonover@molottery.com

 

Every ticket is a win for education, so Play It Forward.

Vickey

Illinois cheating again too they need to be investigated 10/10/2017 time 1:40 no pick 3 posted yet

JoeBigLotto's avatarJoeBigLotto

Quote: Originally posted by JoeBigLotto on Oct 10, 2017

The above example involves converting complex pick4 numbers to simple pick3 numbers. But sometimes you want to convert simple pick3 numbers to complex pick4 numbers the cost is $5. For example l want to play 246 on pick3 so l decide to play $3 combo to win $250 or $500 if the number has two identical digit like 244 or 224. ok l decide on 246 so l play $3 combo and l also play extra $3 on the six numbers one digit away from 246 all $0.50 each box. So l play 146, 346, 236, 256, 245, 247 this gives me second price of $40 or $80 if the numbers has two identical digits like 244 or 224 . So by now l have spent $6. But this only covers fifty percent of my luck for today so next l add $5 bet to convert my 246 number to pick4 number so my 246 now becomes X246 so l play on pick4 the numbers 0246, 1246, 2246, 3246, 4246, 5246, 6246, 7246, 8246, 9246. all $0.50 each box could win extra $100 on 1246 or extra $200 on 2246 because 2246 has double identical digits so l get double price for $0.50 box. By now i have spent $11 and my luck is covered 100 percent. Well you be thinking l can't spend $11 everyday for some people that is true but life is not about what you do everyday life is about option A option B option C . So for you in this case you go to option B you can play on the luckiest day of the week which is Friday because 75 percent of all my biggest win occur on a Friday . By now you thinking Friday day or Friday night well based on my history data 75percent of the time it is Friday night. To prove my point on January 20th of 2017 Trump became the president and trump is from New york born in New york on that friday night of january 20th the winning number in new york was 6666 and nobody noticed . Am from Florida and on friday january 20th 2017 winning number in florida was 567 for Day and 574 for night both are my lucky numbers too am not making this stories up it is 100 percent true . Lurking

So Remember converting 6666 to simple pick3 number has only one out come 666 :)

DELotteryPlyr's avatarDELotteryPlyr

Quote: Originally posted by JoeBigLotto on Oct 10, 2017

The above example involves converting complex pick4 numbers to simple pick3 numbers. But sometimes you want to convert simple pick3 numbers to complex pick4 numbers the cost is $5. For example l want to play 246 on pick3 so l decide to play $3 combo to win $250 or $500 if the number has two identical digit like 244 or 224. ok l decide on 246 so l play $3 combo and l also play extra $3 on the six numbers one digit away from 246 all $0.50 each box. So l play 146, 346, 236, 256, 245, 247 this gives me second price of $40 or $80 if the numbers has two identical digits like 244 or 224 . So by now l have spent $6. But this only covers fifty percent of my luck for today so next l add $5 bet to convert my 246 number to pick4 number so my 246 now becomes X246 so l play on pick4 the numbers 0246, 1246, 2246, 3246, 4246, 5246, 6246, 7246, 8246, 9246. all $0.50 each box could win extra $100 on 1246 or extra $200 on 2246 because 2246 has double identical digits so l get double price for $0.50 box. By now i have spent $11 and my luck is covered 100 percent. Well you be thinking l can't spend $11 everyday for some people that is true but life is not about what you do everyday life is about option A option B option C . So for you in this case you go to option B you can play on the luckiest day of the week which is Friday because 75 percent of all my biggest win occur on a Friday . By now you thinking Friday day or Friday night well based on my history data 75percent of the time it is Friday night. To prove my point on January 20th of 2017 Trump became the president and trump is from New york born in New york on that friday night of january 20th the winning number in new york was 6666 and nobody noticed . Am from Florida and on friday january 20th 2017 winning number in florida was 567 for Day and 574 for night both are my lucky numbers too am not making this stories up it is 100 percent true . Lurking

Great stories of winning!! Keep sharing and CONGRATS Hyper

Ron5995

Quote: Originally posted by Vickey on Oct 10, 2017

Illinois cheating again too they need to be investigated 10/10/2017 time 1:40 no pick 3 posted yet

000 came up, that's likely why. Not uncommon for such delays after popular, highly wagered numbers are drawn.

If discussion regarding strategy, etc in this thread is any indication, most regular numbers players will continue to play, regardless. It's no wonder lotteries, by and large, downplay RNG issues and carry on as usual. In contrast, many casual players won't play games they believe are potentially rigged. Hence, it's highly likely Mega Millions and Powerball will remain ball drawn for the foreseeable future, since it's the casual players who drive jackpots to record levels.

Also, to harp on the issue again, my belief is when it comes abuse, instant tickets is where the big cheating could be happening. Most have little idea how instant tickets are seeded, prize distributions, winners remaining, closing procedures, etc. Not saying RNG problems aren't serious, but the elephant in the room is instant tickets.

People who believe lotteries are intentionally cheating players, look beyond RNG and be critical of all games offered. For example, when playing instants, perhaps, focusing on newer games, analyzing where winning top prizes have been sold, buying tickets at multiple locations, being wary of prizes remaining lists...

Unclaimed top prizes could already be sold (the lottery likely already knows that, but makes it seem they're still available). Bingo wins are easy to miss. Likewise, games with lots of numbers, bonus areas that feature a top prize, strange play rules, etc.

Finally, as I already mentioned previously, legislative action is likely how RNG will be curtailed. One would have thought the Hot Lotto RNG rigging would have pushed lotteries to ball draws, but that, with a few rare exceptions, hasn't happened. Worse, many players continued to buy Hot Lotto tickets, which was still RNG drawn, well after the rigging allegations came public. On the other hand, many others stopped playing Hot Lotto. So maybe there's hope that lotteries will get away from RNG and go back to all ball draws.

DELotteryPlyr's avatarDELotteryPlyr

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Oct 9, 2017

If you want repeats move to Maryland. They want us to believe this is RANDOM. Yeah, right.

By the way, this is a BALL drawing state.

7/31 eve  271

8/1   eve  712

8/8   mid  941

8/8   eve  914

8/9   mid  642

8/10 eve  426

8/18 mid  590

8/19 mid  950

8/20 mid  287

8/20 eve  872

8/28 eve  095

9/1   mid  095

9/18 mid  426

9/19 mid  462

9/26 eve  484

9/29 mid  484

10/3 mid  897

10/4 eve  978

How about this?

1/21/17  eve  672

1/22/17  eve  627

1/23/17  eve  726

Or this?

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

So thanks to this post, yesterday I started playing the last 6 numbers that have come out - and tonight hit 027 BOXED which came out yesterday midday 072!!! So the list grows for MD!

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Well they did it again.

10/10  mid  072

10/11  eve  027

Here's something interesting. According to lotsoftpro, the average skip for a three digit repeat  in Maryland is,

Midday     92  skips

Evening  218  skips

Mid & Eve combined  120  skips

So for the mid that amounts to 4, three digit repeats a year, for the eve it's 1.67 a year, and combined it's 3 a year. That's a total of 8 a year.

Maryland had 5 back to back draw, 3 digit repeats in just 2 months. Definitely NOT within the so called, "normal statistical parameters" the lottery's like to talk about.

Obviously this is very, very unusual, when you see the average number of skips for each drawing. So the question remains. Is this all completely 100% random, or is there something funny going on?  What do you think?

DELotteryPlyr's avatarDELotteryPlyr

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Oct 11, 2017

Well they did it again.

10/10  mid  072

10/11  eve  027

Here's something interesting. According to lotsoftpro, the average skip for a three digit repeat  in Maryland is,

Midday     92  skips

Evening  218  skips

Mid & Eve combined  120  skips

So for the mid that amounts to 4, three digit repeats a year, for the eve it's 1.67 a year, and combined it's 3 a year. That's a total of 8 a year.

Maryland had 5 back to back draw, 3 digit repeats in just 2 months. Definitely NOT within the so called, "normal statistical parameters" the lottery's like to talk about.

Obviously this is very, very unusual, when you see the average number of skips for each drawing. So the question remains. Is this all completely 100% random, or is there something funny going on?  What do you think?

And AGAIN!!!

I could really Bash as I stopped playing repeats to go after trips

358 came out 10/13 midday

538 hits TODAY midday!

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