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I've never hit for $500 either and I play a lot as well. I still believe there may be one in the roll of Ten Mill Fortune I've been playing. I do believe in bad luck though but I also think it's all about being in the right place at the right time. Now I have been hitting the $100 wins but that's as high as I've ever gotten on a single scratcher.
Dragonsofra: You're right, could be a million dollar ticket in the last few I'm trying to get to and the "pull" from my gut is SO strong on that. Guess we'll see if I was right, lol. Of course with my luck, if you want to call it that, I doubt I'm going to be the one to get it but ya never know. Believe me I will get it posted if I do hit :)
Dracos: From what you've said I don't think I really want to even bother with the "yellow" nightmare tickets, lol. Let someone else hit the big one. My highest ticket game I am love with right now is the $20 Gold Rush. Can't explain why I keep playing Loteria but it's fun to match the little symbols, but I have won $25 off that $2 ticket before, so not too shabby. Anyone hit $1,000 on the Loose Change yet--Jasefan??
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Quote: Originally posted by FreeSpirit40 on Jan 9, 2017
I've never hit for $500 either and I play a lot as well. I still believe there may be one in the roll of Ten Mill Fortune I've been playing. I do believe in bad luck though but I also think it's all about being in the right place at the right time. Now I have been hitting the $100 wins but that's as high as I've ever gotten on a single scratcher.
Dragonsofra: You're right, could be a million dollar ticket in the last few I'm trying to get to and the "pull" from my gut is SO strong on that. Guess we'll see if I was right, lol. Of course with my luck, if you want to call it that, I doubt I'm going to be the one to get it but ya never know. Believe me I will get it posted if I do hit :)
Dracos: From what you've said I don't think I really want to even bother with the "yellow" nightmare tickets, lol. Let someone else hit the big one. My highest ticket game I am love with right now is the $20 Gold Rush. Can't explain why I keep playing Loteria but it's fun to match the little symbols, but I have won $25 off that $2 ticket before, so not too shabby. Anyone hit $1,000 on the Loose Change yet--Jasefan??
I too have NEVER won a scratcher more than $150 and that was twice on the 100X (once a 5X with $30 underneath it, and another time a Win All symbol for that came to $150 the lowest prize for that symbol).
I loved 100X, it was the game that got me hooked. Somewhere buried in this thread was my account of the very first night I played my first $25 scratcher and it happened to be a $100 winner matching 10 numbers. I then went to different places playing rolls that were on ticket numbers 10 or less and found like 3-4 more $100 winners that night including one on the Monopoly $20 game. I really thought that was the norm. But then the law of averages kicked in. There was one night I played at the Shell station close to me in Gainesville and had lost $175 on 7 straight losers. Then I thought I try the "build my own roll" by going around to different places and buying a single ticket at 7-8 different locations scratching them as a group once I got home. Got burned by that method too.
In regards to the (mis)Fortune tickets, I've had bad luck on those. I think I've only played it like 5 times since it's been out and I might have won on 2 of those for $25 or $30, can't remember. There's just too many tickets out there. 40 tickets in a roll. You have to spend nearly $8K+ to be within the average tickets to purchase to win $500 and even that won't be guaranteed. It's all luck.
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ZZplayfaster, I haven't even won more than $100 on a single scratcher! $150 would be quite the step-up for me, lol. Monopoly (of any ticket cost) has NEVER won anything for me, so I avoid it except the little $2 ticket every once in awhile. Holiday Millions is the same way. Seems like people are winning left and right off that game but I can NEVER win anything on it either so I leave it be, except the $2 one.
I actually do well when I "build my own roll", plus to me it's fun to run around to several (yes, several) different gas stations and hit a few Publix along the way. I stack 'em all up and either sit nice and comfy in my car and scratch or take them home and enjoy some hot chocolate or coffee and scratch away, lol. Buying all from one store I avoid unless it's the $1 or $2 tix, particularly Loose Change. I like to buy a strip of them and scratch away. I'd love to hit the $1,000 on that one!
The (Mis) Fortune game, I can't afford to play that on any regular basis but like I've been saying, I hate to admit I'm "chasing" the rest of this hot roll I found in a newly opened gas station. Can't believe how many $100 hits were in it! Of course I lost a ton too but just the amount of hundos in it was what got me, so there are several left on the roll and I am dying to go back and get them. In this area of town people aren't exactly standing in line to buy these high dollar scratchers so I know it'll pretty much be what I left off on. After I'm done with that roll I am retiring that game for awhile as it will MURDER your wallet!
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Just an FYI, the lottery office informed me that the last top prize claimed in the $5M Flamingo Fortune game was roll number 602,904. I am amazed that it was that low. The one before that was 555,555. That roll must have been sitting in the middle of nowhere because the rolls I see now are in the low 800ks. For what it is worth, that means one last prize remains and the game is over 90% sold out.
@skeptic - I have not been able to find another 000 roll on the old Gold Rush. I found a few on the new one, but I could not replicate my previous luck.
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Quote: Originally posted by gatorsrok on Jan 9, 2017
Just an FYI, the lottery office informed me that the last top prize claimed in the $5M Flamingo Fortune game was roll number 602,904. I am amazed that it was that low. The one before that was 555,555. That roll must have been sitting in the middle of nowhere because the rolls I see now are in the low 800ks. For what it is worth, that means one last prize remains and the game is over 90% sold out.
@skeptic - I have not been able to find another 000 roll on the old Gold Rush. I found a few on the new one, but I could not replicate my previous luck.
602,904? Crazy. It definitely must have been at a low traffic retailer like a food store that doesn't sell high priced tickets quickly. Publix locations are selling books in the 760k+ range in Gainesville.
I wonder if the last 2 $1M prizes are going to be in the later ranges, did you request to see where the first 18 $1M prizes were by any chance?
That's crazy there was only a 50k ticket game. That shows a lack of predictability, just like the two close $5M prizes on the Monopoly. How high does $20 Flamingo go up to? I've seen rolls up to the 793k range (at AK Kwik).
What if, the last SM prize does pop up...in the 680k range? Those are the books people are rejecting left and right, lol. Wouldn't that be one hell of a plot twist? Alot of us are expecting 720+, with 730s being most likely. Recent tickets have seemed to surprise us on several occasions.
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Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Jan 9, 2017
602,904? Crazy. It definitely must have been at a low traffic retailer like a food store that doesn't sell high priced tickets quickly. Publix locations are selling books in the 760k+ range in Gainesville.
I wonder if the last 2 $1M prizes are going to be in the later ranges, did you request to see where the first 18 $1M prizes were by any chance?
That's crazy there was only a 50k ticket game. That shows a lack of predictability, just like the two close $5M prizes on the Monopoly. How high does $20 Flamingo go up to? I've seen rolls up to the 793k range (at AK Kwik).
What if, the last SM prize does pop up...in the 680k range? Those are the books people are rejecting left and right, lol. Wouldn't that be one hell of a plot twist? Alot of us are expecting 720+, with 730s being most likely. Recent tickets have seemed to surprise us on several occasions.
(In reference to SM):
I'm not sure why the books in the 680k range would be rejected. The most recent win was on 655k and the last range that the prize should be in starts somewhere around 671-674 (don't know how many books were skipped, but assuming 737 is end of print, this should be fairly accurate). Anything over 671k (674k if you prefer) is likely to have the prize in it (assuming there wasn't one missed in the 400k range). I'm not sure what logic would say that the end of the range is more likely to have it over the beginning of it.
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I just wanted to share some thoughts as Dracos and I were talking about 2MJ and SM.
Disclaimer when factoring tickets vs. print I left in the skipped books as it shouldn't matter if they are skipped on a regular interval. If they are not skipped on a regular interval then it will throw my analysis on the last jackpots off, but it shouldn't be much. In my experience the first jackpot of a game is hit early on a lot of ocassions to stirr interest, but once it gets into a rhythm the jackpots are typically found within 75-95% of their print. This is true in my experience tracking jackpots against many lotteries about 7 out of 10 times, but take it for what you will. I'm coming down for vacation in June and if there are SM's books left as that game is not closed I plan on playing a bit if I can get away for the day.
Do you think the 2MJ ticket is better to play since both games cost $600 for a book, but the $20 Super Millions comes with only 30 tickets compared to $10 2MJ's 60 tickets?
This is a question of average payout and whether you believe both games top prizes are out there. The 60 tickets vs. 30 does not matter it comes down to the average payout and cost vs. opportunity. Even though Super Millions cost more the average payout of the game should equate to a percentage such as 62% over infinity if you are hitting min payout books and smaller tier prizes.
I think you should look at it this way. Pro vs. Con
Super Millions & 2MJ
Less tickets (Not a factor for me, because I don't even scratch tickets anymore) I only scratch the barcode and use checker to see if it's a winner and I check them all twice typically on separate devices to account for errors. I look at avg. payout over the course of multiple books. This impacts my sustainable play and whether I'm able to keep playing after some terrible books. In the terms of super millions and 2MJ and remaining tickets I think it's safe to play either as your odds are astronomically greater than any other games to play. To actually get a real value and determine what game is better over a per dollar basis factor all remaining prizes cost wise vs. all remaining tickets and that will give you an average on both games to give you a better buy. Of course you still have a chance that either top prize is not there, so I would pick locations that have a mix of the tickets. I like to look at it this way. Say you have 6 rolls 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. The game you are playing has a guaranteed 50 on each roll. You have $600 dollars and the tickets are 10 bucks a piece. Are you going to take 60 from one roll or are you going to take 10 off of each roll? This is just a hypothetical, but I'd rather take 10 off each roll as I have greater odds at hitting the jackpot than buying a whole single roll. I've actually seen this happen in real life as a guy hit 3 50's off the 6 rolls, so instead of going for 1 50 I'd go for the 6 :). Of course this is not the exact same as your 2MJ and SM situation, but that's the way I look at your 2MJ and SM question. I'd rather have a chance at both as hypothetically we don't know which remains so hedge your chances and buy a bit of both.
Also, I've been targeting 260k+ range on 2MJ, and 720k+ range on Super Millions in anticipation of the final jackpot. What are your thoughts based on the following numbers?
I would ask what is the overall odds for Super Millions and approximately how many books per jackpot. If there are 12 jackpots that would be 61416.66(repeating) per jackpot. When calculated against the odds on the website it's 1 in 56k, however we'll calculate it against 61416.6666 as i don't know where the skipped print numbers are at.
Now let's look at the analysis of how they are printed by the so call "random printing machine". In bold below are what I could guess what the end of the print might look like. All you can do is try to look at like patterns.
(Actual Winning ticket)(Difference from where it should be)(Where it should be mathematically)
01.)0041429 (-19,987.6666) 061416.6666666 1st top prize hit in 67.456% of it's supposed section of print
02.)0085234 (-37,599.3333) 122833.3333333 2nd top prize hit in 69.389% of it's supposed section of print
03.)0155889 (-28,360.9999) 184249.9999999 (09K Difference) 3rd top prize 84.607% of it's suspect section of print
04.)0249368 (+03,701.3333) 245666.6666666 (Almost Even) 4th top prize 101% of it's suspected print
05.)0269367 (-37,716.3333) 307083.3333333 5th top prize hit in 87.718% of it's suspected section of print
06.)0328889 (-39610.9999) 368499.9999999 6th top prize hit in 89.250% of it's suspected section of print
07.)0383410 (-46506.6666) 429916.6666666 7th top prize hit in 89.182% of it's suspected section of print
08.)0501717 (+10383.6666) 491333.3333333 8th 102% (Not sure if there was a reorder or what happened but the game definitely caught up)
09.)0532257 (-20492.9999) 552749.9999999 9th top prize hit in 96.292% of it's suspected print
10.)0582351 (-31815.6666) 614166.6666666 10th top prize hit in 94.819% of it's suspected print
11.)0655173 (-20410.3333) 675583.3333333 (11K Difference) 11th top prize hit in 96.978% of it's suspected print
12.)XXXXXXX 736999.9999999 Guessing Almost Even but if it's -9k to -3K
I'd personally target anything 722+ You can look at like patterns above. If you had me give a super educated narrow down I'd say it's in 730+ more specifically around 733-734-735 ranges. I'm guessing it's going to hit within 98%+ of it's suspected print. Which gives you a range of 722259.999999 to 737k.
On the $10 scratchoff $2,000,000 Jackpot the grand prizes 1-5 were on
1.)0023156 (-23010.6666) 46166.6666 1st prize hit in section 50% of it's print.
2.)0074932 (-17,401.3333) 92333.3333 2nd prize hit in 81.1% of it's suspected print
3.)0116565 (-21,934.9999) 138499.9999 3rd prize hit in 84.2% of it's suspected print
4.)0158874 (-25,792.6666) 184666.6666 4th prize hit in 86.0% of it's suspected print
5.)0213012 (-17,821.3333) 230833.3333 5th prize hit in 92.3% of it's suspected print
6.)XXXXXXX (XXXXXX.XXXX) 277XXX.9999 Guessing 96%+
The print on this game goes up to 277xxx.
If you had me guess on this one I'd guess it's close to the 268 range. Of couse on both of these we aren't calculating exacts and there is likely a 4% overage we threw into the calculations which might be throwing the numbers off.
Also, I wanted to comment in the Florida thread about the games ending and why I believe they are ending them. Typically the lottery by law has to end games it no longer has books to distribute. I'm guessing they have some Super Millions books left, so by law they are not going to close the game yet. My guess is they have the back of the last lot "overage" which also includes the jackpot ticket not released. If they have no books left to distribute they are obligated to give the 3 month closing time frame or w/e it is for Florida. They are typically quick to close once the last of the tickets are distributed as it closes the window and the chance that the last winning ticket is hit.
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Quote: Originally posted by gatorsrok on Jan 9, 2017
Just an FYI, the lottery office informed me that the last top prize claimed in the $5M Flamingo Fortune game was roll number 602,904. I am amazed that it was that low. The one before that was 555,555. That roll must have been sitting in the middle of nowhere because the rolls I see now are in the low 800ks. For what it is worth, that means one last prize remains and the game is over 90% sold out.
@skeptic - I have not been able to find another 000 roll on the old Gold Rush. I found a few on the new one, but I could not replicate my previous luck.
Lottery office informed you ? Is there a website that shows all the winning tickets like what you said about that $5M Flamingo game or is that something one has to constantly beg for ? Seems like with all the rolls I'm stacking up( and others) with returns of about 40%, they would have enough money to post that stuff regularly, seems criminal to not keep people up to date. I suppose they wouldn't want to do that because people would see the grand prizes are gone and more than likely stop playing any more ? To me that seems dirty, there is plenty of money being made to have a website showing winners.
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Quote: Originally posted by Dreamer1270 on Jan 10, 2017
Lottery office informed you ? Is there a website that shows all the winning tickets like what you said about that $5M Flamingo game or is that something one has to constantly beg for ? Seems like with all the rolls I'm stacking up( and others) with returns of about 40%, they would have enough money to post that stuff regularly, seems criminal to not keep people up to date. I suppose they wouldn't want to do that because people would see the grand prizes are gone and more than likely stop playing any more ? To me that seems dirty, there is plenty of money being made to have a website showing winners.
You can request Instant Liability Reports (data showing the percentages of prizes claimed) for any game. You simply have to email:
Opengov@flalottery.com
Additionally, you can contact specific district offices in order to request book inventory reports. They do post winning ticket pictures on social media, and they update the "remaining prizes" list, but it isn't updated consistently for all games. $5 tickets and lower price point tickets seem to be updated almost immediately. For example, the $5 holiday millions ticket is down to 1/8 prizes remaining (with multiple jackpot claims in the past 2 weeks, I believe 4).
I requested information for the $20 Flamingo game regarding the winning ticket numbers for the $1M, and $5M prizes and will share that information as soon as I get it for the $20 Flamingo game. I received a recent instant liability report showing the game is about 92% sold through, with 1 $100k prize remaining, 2 $1M prizes remaining, and 1 $5m prize remaining. Additionally, there's about 41 $20k prizes remaining as well. Once I get the data, we may be able to come up with tentative ranges to target. Then again, the $5M prize hit on book 555k, and 601k shows how irregular these prizes can be. We can only assume from that the gap between the most recent $5M prize, and last one should be greater since the print seems to be up to the 800k range (I've seen 793k, personally).
The $20 Lucky For Life game is 80% sold through. It has been selling at a very slow-rate.
The $20 Gold rush Doubler is 23.5% sold through, it looks like 1-2 more $1M prizes should be due soon since only 5/30 have been claimed (or 16.67%).
The big concern many of us have is that they use humans to update this information, when the technology exists to update it automatically. I agree with you that there's no reason they shouldn't be able to update this automatically.
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Quote: Originally posted by Zebekyia on Jan 9, 2017
I just wanted to share some thoughts as Dracos and I were talking about 2MJ and SM.
Disclaimer when factoring tickets vs. print I left in the skipped books as it shouldn't matter if they are skipped on a regular interval. If they are not skipped on a regular interval then it will throw my analysis on the last jackpots off, but it shouldn't be much. In my experience the first jackpot of a game is hit early on a lot of ocassions to stirr interest, but once it gets into a rhythm the jackpots are typically found within 75-95% of their print. This is true in my experience tracking jackpots against many lotteries about 7 out of 10 times, but take it for what you will. I'm coming down for vacation in June and if there are SM's books left as that game is not closed I plan on playing a bit if I can get away for the day.
Do you think the 2MJ ticket is better to play since both games cost $600 for a book, but the $20 Super Millions comes with only 30 tickets compared to $10 2MJ's 60 tickets?
This is a question of average payout and whether you believe both games top prizes are out there. The 60 tickets vs. 30 does not matter it comes down to the average payout and cost vs. opportunity. Even though Super Millions cost more the average payout of the game should equate to a percentage such as 62% over infinity if you are hitting min payout books and smaller tier prizes.
I think you should look at it this way. Pro vs. Con
Super Millions & 2MJ
Less tickets (Not a factor for me, because I don't even scratch tickets anymore) I only scratch the barcode and use checker to see if it's a winner and I check them all twice typically on separate devices to account for errors. I look at avg. payout over the course of multiple books. This impacts my sustainable play and whether I'm able to keep playing after some terrible books. In the terms of super millions and 2MJ and remaining tickets I think it's safe to play either as your odds are astronomically greater than any other games to play. To actually get a real value and determine what game is better over a per dollar basis factor all remaining prizes cost wise vs. all remaining tickets and that will give you an average on both games to give you a better buy. Of course you still have a chance that either top prize is not there, so I would pick locations that have a mix of the tickets. I like to look at it this way. Say you have 6 rolls 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. The game you are playing has a guaranteed 50 on each roll. You have $600 dollars and the tickets are 10 bucks a piece. Are you going to take 60 from one roll or are you going to take 10 off of each roll? This is just a hypothetical, but I'd rather take 10 off each roll as I have greater odds at hitting the jackpot than buying a whole single roll. I've actually seen this happen in real life as a guy hit 3 50's off the 6 rolls, so instead of going for 1 50 I'd go for the 6 :). Of course this is not the exact same as your 2MJ and SM situation, but that's the way I look at your 2MJ and SM question. I'd rather have a chance at both as hypothetically we don't know which remains so hedge your chances and buy a bit of both.
Also, I've been targeting 260k+ range on 2MJ, and 720k+ range on Super Millions in anticipation of the final jackpot. What are your thoughts based on the following numbers?
I would ask what is the overall odds for Super Millions and approximately how many books per jackpot. If there are 12 jackpots that would be 61416.66(repeating) per jackpot. When calculated against the odds on the website it's 1 in 56k, however we'll calculate it against 61416.6666 as i don't know where the skipped print numbers are at.
Now let's look at the analysis of how they are printed by the so call "random printing machine". In bold below are what I could guess what the end of the print might look like. All you can do is try to look at like patterns.
(Actual Winning ticket)(Difference from where it should be)(Where it should be mathematically)
01.)0041429 (-19,987.6666) 061416.6666666 1st top prize hit in 67.456% of it's supposed section of print
02.)0085234 (-37,599.3333) 122833.3333333 2nd top prize hit in 69.389% of it's supposed section of print
03.)0155889 (-28,360.9999) 184249.9999999 (09K Difference) 3rd top prize 84.607% of it's suspect section of print
04.)0249368 (+03,701.3333) 245666.6666666 (Almost Even) 4th top prize 101% of it's suspected print
05.)0269367 (-37,716.3333) 307083.3333333 5th top prize hit in 87.718% of it's suspected section of print
06.)0328889 (-39610.9999) 368499.9999999 6th top prize hit in 89.250% of it's suspected section of print
07.)0383410 (-46506.6666) 429916.6666666 7th top prize hit in 89.182% of it's suspected section of print
08.)0501717 (+10383.6666) 491333.3333333 8th 102% (Not sure if there was a reorder or what happened but the game definitely caught up)
09.)0532257 (-20492.9999) 552749.9999999 9th top prize hit in 96.292% of it's suspected print
10.)0582351 (-31815.6666) 614166.6666666 10th top prize hit in 94.819% of it's suspected print
11.)0655173 (-20410.3333) 675583.3333333 (11K Difference) 11th top prize hit in 96.978% of it's suspected print
12.)XXXXXXX 736999.9999999 Guessing Almost Even but if it's -9k to -3K
I'd personally target anything 722+ You can look at like patterns above. If you had me give a super educated narrow down I'd say it's in 730+ more specifically around 733-734-735 ranges. I'm guessing it's going to hit within 98%+ of it's suspected print. Which gives you a range of 722259.999999 to 737k.
On the $10 scratchoff $2,000,000 Jackpot the grand prizes 1-5 were on
1.)0023156 (-23010.6666) 46166.6666 1st prize hit in section 50% of it's print.
2.)0074932 (-17,401.3333) 92333.3333 2nd prize hit in 81.1% of it's suspected print
3.)0116565 (-21,934.9999) 138499.9999 3rd prize hit in 84.2% of it's suspected print
4.)0158874 (-25,792.6666) 184666.6666 4th prize hit in 86.0% of it's suspected print
5.)0213012 (-17,821.3333) 230833.3333 5th prize hit in 92.3% of it's suspected print
6.)XXXXXXX (XXXXXX.XXXX) 277XXX.9999 Guessing 96%+
The print on this game goes up to 277xxx.
If you had me guess on this one I'd guess it's close to the 268 range. Of couse on both of these we aren't calculating exacts and there is likely a 4% overage we threw into the calculations which might be throwing the numbers off.
Also, I wanted to comment in the Florida thread about the games ending and why I believe they are ending them. Typically the lottery by law has to end games it no longer has books to distribute. I'm guessing they have some Super Millions books left, so by law they are not going to close the game yet. My guess is they have the back of the last lot "overage" which also includes the jackpot ticket not released. If they have no books left to distribute they are obligated to give the 3 month closing time frame or w/e it is for Florida. They are typically quick to close once the last of the tickets are distributed as it closes the window and the chance that the last winning ticket is hit.
Thanks for sharing your analysis, and thoughts here Zebekiya.
@ Zebekiya - After doing the match comparing the number of books remaining from instant liability reports to the number of books remaining from the book inventory reports, I noticed about 10k books were "missing" from both the SM and 2MJ game. Over the course of 20m tickets being printed, do you think it is reasonable to assume that 6k-12k books (depending on if you use 1% or 2%) or prizes were "tossed" away by players? (As well as some of these prizes tossed through store ownership changes over the years?) Alot of us have been talking about the discrepancy between these numbers, but if indeed about 1-2% of prizes aren't claimed over the span of a game due to these factors, I think it increases the likelihood of these final prizes remaining since the lack of accounted 10k books of tickets would have been from random tickets which were missed over the years and other operation factors, likely not affecting the latter print.
@ Oldghost - Even though I can definitely see where the 671k or 674k and "up" range is possible, I personally have a number bias of 720k and above. After looking over the numbers of the earlier prizes claimed and seeing some of them happen in the lower end of their pools, I can certainly see that large 100k gap with no prize in the 400k range as normal. The number of 400k books left in existence is still extremely small, and of course I think it would be worth picking up due to that off chance. I still do tend to think the later range is where it will end up being, simply looking at that final print range and the large gap after the 655k win. I still think it would be ironic if it ended up popping up in the 680k range, simply because I know myself and others have walked away from those books and turned them down whenever retailers have offered to sell them. With the random nature of how these tickets can be, we could be walking away from books with big wins simply due to that number preference.
That gives a 3 month window for 2MJ, but SM seems to be spared for at least another 6 months.
I emailed them asking for information on game 1195 - $20 Monopoly Millionaire to see how high the print went on that game. I think it would be interesting information to look at, and compare since we know that game had all of the $3M prizes hit (last one on 693k range) yet it had the same number of tickets printed as Super Millions. It is also a similar age as SM since it was released in 2013, and SM in 2014. I hope they respond back as I'd love to look at that information to see if it happened at the very end of that print, or somewhere earlier in the "final print" cycle.
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just bought a book of $20 flamingo #813170 thats pretty high up there,return of $345/600
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Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Jan 10, 2017
Thanks for sharing your analysis, and thoughts here Zebekiya.
@ Zebekiya - After doing the match comparing the number of books remaining from instant liability reports to the number of books remaining from the book inventory reports, I noticed about 10k books were "missing" from both the SM and 2MJ game. Over the course of 20m tickets being printed, do you think it is reasonable to assume that 6k-12k books (depending on if you use 1% or 2%) or prizes were "tossed" away by players? (As well as some of these prizes tossed through store ownership changes over the years?) Alot of us have been talking about the discrepancy between these numbers, but if indeed about 1-2% of prizes aren't claimed over the span of a game due to these factors, I think it increases the likelihood of these final prizes remaining since the lack of accounted 10k books of tickets would have been from random tickets which were missed over the years and other operation factors, likely not affecting the latter print.
@ Oldghost - Even though I can definitely see where the 671k or 674k and "up" range is possible, I personally have a number bias of 720k and above. After looking over the numbers of the earlier prizes claimed and seeing some of them happen in the lower end of their pools, I can certainly see that large 100k gap with no prize in the 400k range as normal. The number of 400k books left in existence is still extremely small, and of course I think it would be worth picking up due to that off chance. I still do tend to think the later range is where it will end up being, simply looking at that final print range and the large gap after the 655k win. I still think it would be ironic if it ended up popping up in the 680k range, simply because I know myself and others have walked away from those books and turned them down whenever retailers have offered to sell them. With the random nature of how these tickets can be, we could be walking away from books with big wins simply due to that number preference.
That gives a 3 month window for 2MJ, but SM seems to be spared for at least another 6 months.
I emailed them asking for information on game 1195 - $20 Monopoly Millionaire to see how high the print went on that game. I think it would be interesting information to look at, and compare since we know that game had all of the $3M prizes hit (last one on 693k range) yet it had the same number of tickets printed as Super Millions. It is also a similar age as SM since it was released in 2013, and SM in 2014. I hope they respond back as I'd love to look at that information to see if it happened at the very end of that print, or somewhere earlier in the "final print" cycle.
I think 1% to 2% is completely normal as I would venture it might be higher. Back when we were going to all the promotions throughout the state a lot of winning tickets were thrown away. The reason we know they were thrown away was due to the fact we were checking the availability of the game when it was almost sold out the stores in which the lottery gave us as having activated books closely resembled the stores in which we went to the promotions at. Once we learned this we would go through the trash at these promotions and pull all tickets and after checking we would make an extra 50-100 dollars. Books are not taken out of the system in our state unless 90% of the roll has been claimed. If enough prizes on a roll aren't claimed the roll will still show active on the lottery's computer system. The reason it works this way is due to the fact of how the retailers are billed. They have a couple of options as paying when the roll is 90% sold or paying 90 days after the book activation. A lot of retailers choose the 90% sold as they get a %5 discount when the roll is activated. I would venture to guess the actual loss is higher than 1-2% of the tickets as the amount of money I find in the trash still to this day is very high.
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The new ending games list is up. Only surprise to me is the old $2 HG as at last check it was only 60% or so sold through. I guess they managed to hit their minimum requirement for the game which I believe a rep told me was in the 60%-70% range sold (or that 60% of prizes had to be claimed, don't recall for sure.)
KR is on the list of course, so if anyone has a winning ticket, they may want to claim it soon.
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Quote: Originally posted by oldghost on Jan 10, 2017
The new ending games list is up. Only surprise to me is the old $2 HG as at last check it was only 60% or so sold through. I guess they managed to hit their minimum requirement for the game which I believe a rep told me was in the 60%-70% range sold (or that 60% of prizes had to be claimed, don't recall for sure.)
KR is on the list of course, so if anyone has a winning ticket, they may want to claim it soon.
Publix must be making a killing from the Lottery. I just checked the site and at least 4 of the 5 top prizes claimed were purchased at publix including the raffle millionaires. I guess I should divert my purchases to their stores only.
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@Speedmon, I definitely noticed a little bit better luck when I buy out of the machine at Publix. I always ask at the counter what a certain game number is on and if I don't like that number then I buy from the machine. Obvious drawback is that you have to take what the machine spits out at ya, lol