OO-OO, it's bo'kin.

Was it a Design Failure? or Normal Operation?

At this point : The RNG games need to head into the abyss. Consider this, if Tipton had not been apprehended- for him & his ilk, it would continue to be as the Boss would sing " Glory Days."

Bench that B*#!ch for good.

I refuse to support RNG games.

PA Treasure Hunt (5/30 game: 1 in 142,506) had duplicate numbers drawn too within a week of each other. 02 05 08 11 12 on both Monday Nov-24-2014 and Sunday Nov-30-2014. Always thought it was just chance, but, after reading this article, not so sure. The first occurrence was on a Monday and then the duplicate on the following Sunday. Could PA Lottery swapped out the machines and/or did maintenance that reset some parameters. Definitely wondering now.

11/24/14
Winning Numbers: 02  05  08  11  12
1 players matched 5, each receiving $10,114.50
86 players matched 4, each receiving $100.00
1,419 players matched 3, each receiving $6.00
9,483 players matched 2, each receiving $1.00

11/30/14
Winning Numbers: 02  05  08  11  12
5 players matched 5, each receiving $2,046.00
75 players matched 4, each receiving $100.00
1,474 players matched 3, each receiving $6.00
9,633 players matched 2, each receiving $1.00

As for lottery strategies, interesting to see that some players will play previous drawn numbers even for jackpot games. Most of the time doesn't work, but here it did. And I suppose, if one analyzed PA Treasure Hunt for 4 out 5 duplicates, the strategy, assuming the machines were somehow faulty over time, may be more effective than chance would suggest.

What I can't understand is how so many lotteries mess up use of RNG for even simple draw games, such as Pick-3 and Pick-4. Is lottery RNG software and implementation really that bad. If so, all the more reason for more lotteries to bring ball draws back.

Time to dump RNG once and for all!

I don't think it was a glitch. I read an article on algorithms a few weeks ago and learned that they repeat at some point.  But the time frame could be any amount of time.

I don't get it.  Why is this a problem?  Don't all the lotteries constantly tell us that, "all the drawings are completely random?"

If this was to happen in a ball drawing nothing would be said. Pick 3 and Pick 4 drawings repeat all the time back to back or within a few days. It's just random, right?

If they were completely random, then why do they think there is a problem? 

Let it go. It is what it is, right?  Sometimes these things happen.  It's called a RANDOM number generator. But if the lottery doesn't like the results, now it isn't random?

If this had happened during a mechanical ball drawing pre-test they would have pulled the ball sets or machines. Why? Isn't everything random?

Oh yeah I forgot, the only reason it's a problem is because this doesn't fit their "normal statistical parameters."  Ie, pure random is verboten.

Having all the games repeat the same drawing numbers on consecutive nights is not random numbers that just happen to repeat.  The odds are so removed that it is literally impossible.

Is Tipton in Arizona?

They might be using a simpler algorithm, perhaps? It was the same computer each time. Remember the hot lotto guy was able to tell ahead of time, from a few sets of numbers to play, what would hit on a certain day. I am determined to figure out one of these RNG algorithms before they all go away. There are no truly random numbers in an algorithm since they usually have to have a seed number to start. I guess the closest thing to randomness might be the mechanical drawings.

Lol I thought the same thing. I think someone was "experimenting" with the RNG and messed up.

The easy way to get states to stop using RNGs is to boycott the games.  If people simply stopped playing those games, the loss of revenue would cause the states to go back to using balls.  As long as states keep recording record sales, they have no incentive to change operations. 

I also wonder if this problem exists with second chance drawings since those are computerized.  Florida has been doing second chance drawings for losing scratch-off tickets for a few years now.  About a year ago, one person won two $1,000 prizes out of 15 total for a second chance drawing.  When I contacted the FL Lotto office, they told me there were over 5 million entries into that second chance drawing.   They said they kept no record of how many entries any individual had in the drawing.  The odds of a person getting two wins must have been nearly impossible unless the algorithm that does the selection is flawed (or fixed).

Well, the machine in question is a MUSL machine, so that is an entirely fair question.  MUSL claims that all the machines Tipton worked on were taken out of service, but that's the problem with computerized drawings — who really knows what the hell they are doing behind the scenes?  There is no way to "witness" a computerized drawing, so there is absolutely no way in this universe you or I could say with certainly that's it's all on the up and up. 

With computerized drawings lottery players are going 100% on faith that it is fair.  There is no way to know for sure.  And THAT is why I have written time and time again, arguing that computerized drawings should be eliminated from all state lottery daily drawing games.

Saw the exact same thing here in MO just a month or so ago. MO just got a new Phone app where you can scan old tickets for second hand drawing. I had tons of tickets I had saved over the years and took the time to put them all in (the ones it would take, there is time limits on them) on one of the promotional second hand drawings. I personally had 100's of entries by taking the time to put them all in. I got nothing. I totally get that with 100's of thousands of entries or even more. Yet Bryan Greer wins 3rd place on the first drawing and the top prize (1st Place) on the second drawing out of 13 chances per drawing. only 13!. I truly expected to see his name on the 3rd and final drawing as well, but didn't. then again he was probably to busy laying on the beaches of Hawaii to put anymore in for the last drawing....Visit these pages to see what I am talking about.

http://www.molottery.com/extras/summerParks/winners1.shtm

and then this one...

http://www.molottery.com/extras/summerParks/winners2.shtm

and even the miscellaneous prizes associated with this drawing for camping gear. that is 3 wins in 1 set of second hand drawings.

https://club.molottery.com/drawings/winners/view/1901

what are the odd's. He should have bought a lottery ticket to have that much luck going for him. oh wait he did.

oh and for this thread. there is only one solution, go back to the F#@&ing balls already. we have asked for them back for years and years...

Exactly!  It reminds me of a check factor, such as; if date is =>...and date is even/odd then..., which is looping instead of running through its sequence, which would end or delete the run.  This is absolutely an opcode malfunction, not random coincidence.

The other thing one can guess from this is that someone is mucking around in the code on the machine.  Why else would it suddenly start spitting out repeated draw sequences?  And why would the machine have access to previous drawing results that it could copy?  If it DOESN'T have access to previous drawing results, then it is generating totally non-random numbers based on some kind of sequence or something.

It is an absolutely horrendous situation, and I would never buy a ticket for one of these computerized drawings.  I can't say that in strong enough terms.

The local papers should be doing multiple investigations of this and grilling everyone involved until the lottery is forced to change.  The general public — not just the lottery's loyal players who actively seek out information like this on the Internet — need to be made aware.

I've been doing this long enough that it takes quite a bit to get me outraged.  And I am outraged.

well it is simply fraud. Why well they knew for a long time with evidence that random generators are bul<snip> but for some reason they refuse to use real balls thats why i don't even bother playing in Arizona . They are behaving like the chinese government by trying to collect peoples money and control the ball out come and sometimes they get caught and they say oops error ye right bul<snip>.

Someone has done something with the code. The computer technicians/software developers involved will be suspects.

         THIS HUGE PROBLEM is indemic in Lotteries, not just computer generated games. It is easy to suspect the same programs are related to casino machines.    There is a constant return of numbers/ in groups or bunched up. Many think it likely the coded algorithym is alive and well even in so called wheel ball random drawings. Anyone can tell they have made the lottery as hard to win as possible. It is like trying to run for office if you're not a christian. Forget about it'. It seems everything in the business/money world is fixed. Getting the 1 in 300 Million odds on Large Multi-state drawings Mega and PB is even harder. 

       Logically, we may not identify the problem, but observationally, the sets of repeat or paired numbers inclusive in the drawings is apparent. If we look at state and the large drawings this year, you will see #1 and its relations (31,61) has come in an inordinate amount of times. The control seems to be by digits. There also seems to be a thread of three number with combinations around them in the larger drawings. For example Mega Millions today was 21 33 36 45 56 and 12 shows up in the digits with 2 6's, 2 5's,  2 2's  2 1's and 3 3's, and 21 inverted with 12. 2+1 = 3 also. This mathematical confluence clearly demonstrated. 

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You are right that the time frame can produce an automatic return of the algorithm. But its not a glitch.Its all controlled. like you are. Again, I may be incorrect, but if not, your god idea is a pure glitch in the system. 

Do we think trump threw the towel at puerto rico for past debts and taxes. well he sure did. you may be logically correct, but literally trump threw a roll of paper towels at the Poor'Rico people. Unreal, but there is no real god to bless him or anyone else. You can never prove it, anymore than we can prove trump cheated with the russians to spot the election. No I dont care about hillary either. Its a fixed game, as are all games and human systems, which are like dna coding, set operations we can turn on or turn off, depending on how we deal with the environment. if we manipulate the environment, our dna can click in and give us our disease. or we can avoid it by cleaning up our health and natural factors.  If we manipulate nature and environment (oil gas gmo food etc...) we get the polluted monsanto-insanity we have now. 

Man is not being natural, so we reap the harvest (like harvest 91 I am afraid, happening at a casino just like the one trump has in Atlantic. Is that an accident too/) now we may also see the killer paddock (locked him up in his addicted psychotic dna) was taking medications which made him even crazier than he was. 

The People continue to be fooled. Lotteries are the biggest scam in history, obviously. the state can run a lottery, but the people of themselves cannot. thus the state breaks their own laws. Business is set up like this, and so gun running goes on, and gun killing results. Obviously, that is IT.  we allow it. Yes I have thought about this, not just reacting to things. I don't play games. Pray all you want, but prayer never made the 3 pt. baskets like stephen curry does. 

Lottery continues to be fools gold god for everyone, because the money is all fake as well. (see 1933 and federal reserve act) but you wont think that, because god is real and on trump's side, like saying god is on the side of the baltimore ravens when they stole the super bowl from san francisco, using the referees. any real god does not take sides. It  if at all exists to show naturally what is real, but that's it. the rest is our choice.

Maybe Software or Firmware updates were recently applied to the RNG Computer.

From what I can tell, most likely explanation is the officials simply turned the machine on and read off the previous drawing numbers still stored in memory.

Turning off the machine alone likely wouldn't erase the previous draw numbers. There are logical reasons for it to work that way, such as in the event of a power failure or freezing the machine's state for further examination after a drawing.

Still find it amazing to think the lottery officials just turned it on and read off the previous draw numbers. Don't they have a checklist of steps? One would think so, but maybe not. Regardless, not reassuring. Wonder how many other lotteries have slipshod drawings: skipping steps, not checking machines, poor security, etc.

As for rigging drawings, sure it happens, as the Hot Lotto saga well illustrates, but from all indications, this appears to be a mistake on part of the draw officials. If one is going to rig a drawing in hopes of hitting it big, jackpot games is the place. Not just because of the big money, but that it can occur unnoticed.

Rigging Pick-X games, such as say Pick-3 or Pick-4, on any large scale, will likely be noticed in numerous ways. Excessive claims from a concentrated area, relatively few claimants, and skewed payout percentage. Not to say one couldn't squeeze out a few million, but anything more would likely skew the payout percentage too far out of what would be statistically expected. In short, statistics analysis should catch many such cheats.

And as many here do, analyzing the numbers that come up over time can help spot RNG glitches (number frequency, excess of / lack of pairs, etc), which has happened various times already. One has to wonder, in light of this most recent incident, what other RNG glitches are occurring out there right now ... for those who analyze drawings, as already suggested by others, RNG drawings may be where to focus one's efforts. To digress a bit, while maybe my imagination, it seem RNG numbers generate different patterns than ball drawn. Makes sense, since computer "random" is based on an algorithm verses a physical "random", such as balls.

The duplicate #'s drawn on 9/28 & 10/3 were 1-4-8-12-28.................

While this is going on a Jackpot for Fantasy 5 In AZ was WON on 9/29 In the amount of $487,000????

We rarely have Fantasy 5 that HIGH!!!!!

HUMM CAN I SUE? 

Talk about a rip off!

American Indian, 

The Illinois Pick r, 5/45, has been over $1,000,000 several times. 

Everyone, 

Come to think of it a few years ago a neighboring town had their annual Apple Festival. Ny wife and I went on Saturday and Sunday. 

While there we got QP's for the Illinois Pick 5 game at the same liquor store on both of those days. The tickets were identical except for one number. 

Almost like if the numbers had been pre-programmed to come out, but the job was not done right and it happened more than once.

Maybe:

Either somebody is trying to make some money

Or:

The numbers generated are not random, but pre-programmed to come out, either by the state lottery or by somebody or by a group of people trying to make some money (it would not be the first time that it happens), not everybody can "predict" numbers, but maybe some people can program them to come out as needed.

It happened more than once, that winning numbers were posted on lottery sites "by mistake" just before the drawings were held, sometimes people make those mistakes, that is why most of the time the state lotteries take a very long time before posting winning numbers after the drawings, if those few past mistakes were repeated way too often, a few people might start to think that "the state lotteries are letting the cat out of the bag"

What results is what we put into it. Now they show up the electronic gaming in lottery producing exact replica tickets in many states.  Replication and copy cat mentality. (Like watching a video poker game (stealing our money directly) and thinking to follow the suits to the poor house.

Vegas casino lottery and american dreams.  the city is rocked, the country is rocked!  Yes we could sue the entire country for expiadosis and even genocide.  Free the American Indian. Why not all of us. no more insurance, no more taxes, no more illegal gambling lottery. if we all agree, this could be. otherwise, not. 

To ask, the guns, gambling and drug scenario. what happened? It appears pollack took medication that increased his psychosis, paranoia or obsession. It is curious that trump hotel in atlantic looks similar to Mand...Bay, is a casino and so built on legal theft. The law rules, the people obey. 

So the mad man insanity of this nation, Playing god kind of thing. example : Monsan-ity and drugs gmo food pesticides and vaccines chemicals poisons in our environment. guns, patriotism and military industry.. oil gas coal and cars.. co-dependency is alive and well.

It's all a holographic projection, anyway. When man realizes this, it changes our perspective, our actions. Examples of this hologram are : differences between reality and fantasy.

trump and puerto rico. Sending in maria to island owing debts and taxes. "mother mary comes to me" line from song. Then trump throws in the towel (he did throw paper towels at crowd in Poor Rico) as he came to island 12 days late ("why dont you cleam up your own mess") and said first responders were "miracle" men. It was hardly that, but thats my opinion. (opinions not wirth a dime in a bullion). when its all about us personally, (narcissism), then it becomes nothing. They still have no electric, no food or aid to many parts of island, and children and elderly at risk, if not most of people. Trump sees the bill, he doesnt want to have us pay it. So the people are doing music concert fun(d) raising. Hes not wanting to support those poor athlete sons of bitches either, or the're people. It is all an appearance. a personal appearance.

houston and storm flood. Yes the rain came, Houston was flooded because politicians did not pay for flood plain plan. It would have cost millions, now it will be billions. investment in right places, at right time is the gamblers smart choice. Or this is like the gambler investing in trump casino in atlantic city. It's operating, but its not making much. The big one next door is empty. I have the pics when we went there 2 years ago. 100 Million value, no real value at all. but the officials kept the money to themselves, as the big business people do, and the need went unattended. This is America today. New orleans was the same thing, Is it an accident Nate Hurricane goes to NO town again, a reminder maybe, a holographic projection of the reality; we create it, it doesnt not create us. so we ask what shall we do, really?

is lottery gambling? Yes. Is it a monopoly ruled by the states, yes. This means no one can run a monopoly except the states. they break there own law to run it. IS lottery a scam? From this definition, yes. but it's only an opinion. Is the lottery a fixed algorithym. Well, it is in the computer generated states. But It seems it is also in all states, a holographic project perhaps best explains that. I saw powerball come out as 62 63 66 and 22 23 24. I had projected # 3/33 and 23/53 to win. These numbers were perfect, but could I win the 100 million. Not unless I am a real genius, and saw 23 as round up and down one to 22 23 24 for three winners, and 3/33 as round 60/30/1 as 62 63 66. The odds of such a fantastic occurance are astronomical, like the lottery result here, or my prediction accuracy. No accidents. This is why i share the numbers freely. solar star lottery forum. lottery post. Players need some advantage against this big machine.

But what do we do about all this? I am open to suggestion (now that is a bad joke). Poll-act surely was. Was it a demon, a devil tapping him on the third eye. Probaly much more than that, but we have to watch our selves, our own lines of reality, that is the inner side where our minds and emotions are manipulated if we are not 'vigilant'. This is the human condition in the hologram. As We project, so it can be projected back at us. THis IS for me learning the real awareness. and being real with all life. I am doing my best.

Thanks for listening. This is all hard truth. (not necessarily the facts). Not the old literal (science or religion) view at all. Frankly, i cant afford that. gamblers choice.

exactly BOYCOTT THE GAMES. The people at these state lotteries are on the take to the companies that sell the software. THAT IS WHY THEY ALL GO TO THE COMPUER RNG

There's truth in that. Lottery vendors are often paid sales commissions and/or bonuses, so they have a strong incentive to boost sales, even if that involves shady methods. Seeding instant top prize winners in such a manner that not all will be sold, pulling instant games early, etc. For numbers games, RNG is cheaper to run with less transparency. Who really knows what's going on the RNG box? Often the lottery doesn't truly know, because it's their vendor who handles that.

As for RNG rigging, it can and does happen, but in this instance, from all indications, the officials simply forgot to clear the machine's memory of the past drawings. How lottery officials could make such a dumb mistake is beyond me, but likely just a case of apathy. Just going through the motions to get it over with. If those had been ball drawings, there would be no memory to clear, and more to the point, there would be witnesses and more overall scrutiny of the equipment and draw procedures.

Hoping someone is able to dig up more details of what allegedly led to the incident. Was it simply steps being skipped, or machine malfunction, or maybe an insider(s) was testing whether they could rig drawings. So many questions.